The New Testament pages are covered with Jews howling about the inclusion of the Gentiles into the covenant and yet there is not a peep in the NT from those same Jews that their children are to be excluded from the covenant. This is a argument from silence that is so loud it deafens.
James Lee took up an argument against this statement and adhering to credo-baptism. While others were defending the statement itself, I attacked from a different angle.
O Anthony McAtee
“He that is not with me is against me... (Matthew 12:30)”
So the children are...neutral ground?
O James Lee
No in the New Covenant children are dealt with differently but not left out.
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in the husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now are they holy.
O Anthony McAtee
“He that is not with me is against me... (Matthew 12:30)”
Your saying that they can't receive the covenant sign which leaves me only two option they are not of the covenant or the bible is contradicting itself.
You cannot be Holy apart from Christ and if you are Holy then you are a part of Christ and of the covenant which means you should receive the covenant sign.
O James Lee
Anthony the temporary basis is different than the permanent basis. Only the permanent basis get the sign connected. Repentance is a factor in the permanent.
O Anthony McAtee
Hmm....God cannot take care of his own? Are you saying that a person repenting and confirming God's covenant is more assurance then God's word.
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in the husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now are they holy.
What I understand you are saying is that we a can accept a fallible human beings word over God's.
O James Lee
Anthony, Where did you get the idea that I was saying a humans words are less fallible than God's word? Could you explain?
O Anthony McAtee
From what I understand you will not baptize somebody until they profess Christ and confirm that Christ has made them holy. Once this happens they receive the sign of the covenant baptism, however, God says the children are holy but yet you say that it is not permanent but temporary. In other terms you apply to the children, who are declared holy by God, the temporary status but you give permanent status to the fallible human who claims that Christ has made them holy.
O James Lee
Where does the bible teach that Children that are descendants of Adam are all holy?
O Misty Richards
James...I beg of you to read what is actually being said. Anthony is speaking of children born to regenerate parents.
O Anthony McAtee
I was referring to this verse
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in the husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now are they holy.
not to all children in general
2 comments:
You really need to post more often.
And at least write more often, but you know that.
Anthony,
That was very well done Son!
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